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Becoming a mother is a journey that is different for everyone, and Jackie’s story highlights the importance of proper support and care for new mothers.
Jackie’s journey of healing and self-discovery after being hit by a figurative “Mack truck” led her to create Heart Place Hospital, a multi-dimensional healing, health, and education system.
During this conversation, we talk about women embracing feminine energy, listening to our inner wisdom and taking action, no matter how small, to embrace our unique journey of without judgment and step into our power as mothers.
In July 2021, Jacqui decided to prioritise her whole being and discontinue burning herself out after 26 years as a NZ Registered Nurse. She also answered her soul’s call to care for the carers. ‘Heart Place Hospital’ is a multidimensional whole-health practice that offers a safe space for carers and empaths to be uplifted and supported with the tools and information they need to function at their best, feeling healed, heart-full, and empowered.
Find Jacqui online at: www.heartplacehospital.org.nz
Claire Yee (00:00:04) - Jacqui, it's such a delight to have you here. I'm so excited for the conversation that we're going to have. Thank you for joining me for the podcast today.
Jacqui (00:00:14) - Oh, you're most welcome. I, I'm already excited too. .
Claire Yee (00:00:17) - Yay. Alright, well, let's dive in. Um, to start off with, I'd love to hear a little bit about your own personal experience of becoming a mom and your matrescence journey. How, how it was for you, where you found strength and support along the way, what you found valuable. Just anything you wanna start off with, um, with sharing with our audience today.
Jacqui (00:00:42) - Um, well my, my first experience was nearly 18 years ago, so I've got two daughters. Um, and my first, uh, so back in the truck up a little bit, I'm a registered nurse, so I'd been working in, um, neonate, neonatal, um, intensive care and schoo special care baby unit. Um, I'd worked with family and children for, um, at that point I'd been a nurse for trying to make the math. Um, so I've been a nurse for 28 years. That was 18 years ago. So I've been 10 years. Spent 10 years a nurse. Yep.
Claire Yee (00:01:18) - So, good amount of time. Yeah.
Jacqui (00:01:20) - Yeah. And so I kind of thought, you know, I can do this. I've seen lots of people do this. I can, I can do this. Um, and I, but I still went, you know, I had the midwife. I went and did the antenatal classes, which was, no, looking back now, was a horror show actually, um, which I can share with you. And so then, and then I just had this absolute delusion of grandeur that I was going to birth my baby vaginally and that they would land on my chest and we would breastfeed and I'd be sitting at cafes. I honestly believe that's what I would be doing. And,
Claire Yee (00:02:04) - Um,
Jacqui (00:02:04) - And that's not what happened, . That's not what happened at all. So I, um, I have, I have, both my babies were very big. Um, so I had 11 pound babies both times. Um, I was a big baby. My mum was a big baby. Um, and I, um, I had emergency sections for both of them, which, you know, first of all, blew out my whole delusions of . Yeah. So, and straight away, you know, failure to progress. So the language was, was really,
Claire Yee (00:02:35) - Gosh. Oh,
Jacqui (00:02:37) - Ouch. Yeah. Yeah.
Claire Yee (00:02:39) - And
Jacqui (00:02:39) - Just to back the truck up a little bit more, my, I had a lot of birth trauma. I, I had a lot of medical trauma as a child. So I was born with a congenital heart condition. And so at four years old, my first diagnosis was congenital heart defect. So the language, you know, from a very young age was very negative, very broken, very needed fixing. Um, and through my own health journey, I went into healthcare, but I literally went into healthcare as an unhealed healer. Hmm. And then I went into motherhood as a disempowered woman. So I'd been menstruating, you know, I was 31 at the time. I'd been menstruating since I was 13. I, I've been a nurse for 10 years, like I said. So I thought, well, you know, I've, this is an age, this is innate wisdom . I'm like, born to do this. Yeah. And so I went into labor, um, and, um, and yeah, failure to, failure to, to, um, to progress. So was, um, and then all sorts of language like, you know, in my, um, vaginal examinations. It was like, oh, her uterus is tilted. You know, like all the, and I'm like, what does it, what does it even mean? Like, I don't even know what, what you mean. And Yeah. You
Claire Yee (00:04:01) - Feel like you're failing before you've even begun. Yeah. Pushed you with those labels,
Jacqui (00:04:04) - . Yeah, totally. And I'd, I'd always like, I'd read about the Ring of Fire, so I remember lying there. Cause I had to wait for about six hours for my, for my, for my to be lined up to be, have my section and I'd, and I'd say the Ring of Fires, ring of fires there. Cause I was just willing it, you know, like I was so willing that I was gonna have this natural birth and Madonna, um, delivery. And, um, so yeah, so the, it was a long wait. And then she was, she was born by C-section, so this is July, 18 years ago. She was taken away and given a bottle straight away. So I had no skin to skin with her. Oh wow.
Claire Yee (00:04:44) - This wasn't a thing.
Jacqui (00:04:45) - Wasn't a thing. And I got back to the room and they showed my husband where to make the bottle. And which was like a against all, all my hopes and dreams, b against anything I've been taught at antenatal class. Like that was, you know, that we were taught, like that was, no, we can't talk about that. And so then like, eyes line there, you know, recovering from major surgery and this enormous 11 pound baby lying next to me that I didn't even know who hadn't touched me. Um, and we were making bottles. And then the next day they came in and they said to me, oh, we are really, actually, actually, we are really under the pump. Can you please fend for yourself today? Cuz they knew I was a nurse. And I was just kinda like, I can't, I can't even move .
Jacqui (00:05:36) - What part am I fending myself on here? And that evening, my mother-in-law came out and she was a nurse and she emptied my catheter. My catheter was like a rugby ball. Um, so that was kind of day one of being a mum. Um, you know, like, and there was sort of no, there was no real 40 days of matrescence, you know, of glorious ahead of me. Mm-hmm. And, um, yeah. And I mean, now I know all makes sense. Now I know what sort of person I am. Um, I, like, I, I hung in there and, and like I got told things like, um, um, did your mum breastfeed? And I said, oh, no, she didn't. She was told she didn't have milk. And so then I was told I probably wouldn't have milk. And then, um, and just little things like no one, there was no, and I, and I asked for, um, the, um, lactation consultant to come.
Jacqui (00:06:29) - There was one lactation consultant at Auckland Hospital. And at Auckland Hospital, you only stay there if you've had, you know, a medical delivery. So if you've had, if you've had normal delivery, you're out. So one, one lactation consultant for really high need woman and babies. Yeah. And all around the sun, all the, all the signs were, you know, breast is best. Um, yes, breast is, yes. Yeah. And, um, and I was, I was indoctrinated, you know, I was conditioned. I was, I was a medical professional. I was like, I've got a breastfeed. That's, you know, this is all that, that that's what's gonna happen. And so I, I'm gonna cut this story really short. Cause for six months I literally pumped and cried over spilled milk and had the tubes, had the nipple shields, and had the pump. So my entire, her entire first six months of her life, all her videos and photos of, with the pump in the background and, um, me, you know, just going for it.
Jacqui (00:07:32) - And, um, and she, she had failure to progress. She had failure to thrive, sorry, quite another failure. Um, and looking back now, I really did have what society would call postnatal depression, or, and I actually believe I had a post postnatal trauma. Mine was more a trauma because I was, I loved my baby and I, and I was happy with life. Um, and I was, you know, I was part of life. Um, but every night I ruminated about her birth For a whole year. Yeah. For a whole year. So I had trauma. And then, um, and then, and then we wanted to have another baby. So I got, um, pregnant again. And I got halfway through that pregnancy and I thought, I can't do what I did last time. That is not gonna work for us. You know, I've now got a toddler, I can't, there's no way I can do this. And just this innate wisdom came into me. And, um, I went and had some hypnotherapy to just kind of, I just thought, oh, mop it up. You know, , pop some stuff up, .
Jacqui (00:08:43) - And I instantly very deeply went into that, into that, um, meditation. It was a purposeful, you know, hypnobirthing meditation, anti. And she said, I've never seen anyone go in so deep and fast and so quickly. And I thought, oh, okay, cool. Sweet. And, and I also then discovered about hypno birthing. So I did hypno birthing as well. Amazing. Yeah. And so then the birth came along, the labor came along and it was mirror the exact gestation, the exact size baby, the exact time of the day. Everything was exact, but kind of, um, full throttle and the same thing, emergency section for failure to, um, progress. Actually, I did progress with her. I did get all the 10 centimeters, but she didn't descend. So, um, so, but that time I kind of went, oh, I've done this before. You know, like, I know how to do this .
Jacqui (00:09:45) - Like, this one's okay. Yeah. And I was, I was in more control, so I was like, as soon as this baby's delivered, I didn't know what, what, what we were having. Um, I want the baby on my, on my test. Um, so I was really very much, so much more in control. And I also had done a lot of research around breastfeeding as well. And I had gone in with, with formula with me, and I was like, no, I'm not gonna put myself myself into that stress. Um, that I went last time. I never had to use the formula. Oh, she breastfeed. Yeah, she breastfed. She went, she breastfed all for a whole year and then literally like south waned and went into a car. Like I just, like, you know, and I'm done. Yeah. But I needed that. I really Oh, I bet that was so healing for you.
Jacqui (00:10:35) - So healing, so healing. And like, I would, like Claire, I was just walking around the world, um, with my first baby kitty, and I was just like, did you guys, like, can you believe how much blood came outta you? Did do all these songs and people are going, oh yeah. Oh yeah. And I was just like, , why aren't people talking about this ? Like, that's insane. And I remember the first time I went to the shop by myself without my baby and not pregnant. And I remember thinking, why aren't people clapping? Like, why aren't people clapping at me? I have just made a human and it's come outta my body and it's alive. And I just, I couldn't believe people been clapping. . Yeah. Yeah. And so, um, and so life just kind of then, you know, creeped into, um, being a, being a mum.
Jacqui (00:11:28) - Um, and I kind of giggle now cuz I will kind of think, oh, now, you know, now I'm a grownup. You know? Cause I'm a mum and I think now even like, don't smell. Yeah. I'm a grown up. No one's taught me how to be a grown up. Like I've not, yeah. I have had to go to the school of hard knocks through everything that I've been through to actually understand and know what to do next. And I can't, I'm, I can't, I can't believe people aren't talking about this. Like, I can't believe this isn't, oh, I dunno. I'm back at buses, you know, taught in schools and, and all this sort of thing. Um, and then, um, and then I, and then seven years ago, I, I literally hit, was hit by a Mac truck, well, figuratively, um, hit by a Mac truck.
Jacqui (00:12:19) - And I had been hit, I'd been tapped on the shoulder and I'd had been hit in the back of my head by four, by fours many, many times before that. But it wasn't until I got hit by, figuratively by a mack truck and literally dropped my knees that I realized what the way I was living on the Hester wheel and the way everyone else was living was not sustainable. Mm. And and that's, and that's when my absolute journey to what I now call Heart Place Hospital, um, which is a multi-dimensional healing health and education system began . But it really began, it really began at the beginning, but that's when it really, when my attention got really, like, actually wake up Jacqui, what we're doing is not working. It's not sustainable. And so I went on my own healing journey seven years ago, and then I started creating opportunities for people.
Jacqui (00:13:22) - Like, I was just kinda like, I've gotta tell on this. Like, someone else has gotta know this. I can't just know this information. And it was literally innate, ancient wisdom that was coming out of me. I love it. And I couldn't even Google some of the stuff, like some of the stuff that I was dreaming or downloading or whatever language you wanna use. I like, I'd would Google it, and it wasn't even in Google, and I'd just be like, what is going on here? . Yeah. Um, and so that's hence the multi-dimensional, it's the mind body and spirit, soul, self in a knowing whatever language you use mm-hmm. . And my inner, inner knowing, because I've been dropped to my knees, was really, really loud. So the crazy lady in the that had told me to do, do, do go, go, go be, you know, achieve, achieve, achieve was quiet in the, in my inner annoying was really loud.
Jacqui (00:14:22) - Um, I thought it was, I thought I was freaking crazy. Um, and, but then I started meeting other magical mentors, um, who, who had the same language as me. And so then it was kind of like, yay. You know, and that's the feminine we, we meant to be nourished and nurtured and in community and incircle. And so I started finding circle and the downloads that I was getting and the information that I, and the visions, like I'm, I'm a visionary as well. Um, I was like, wow, we, we could do this. This could actually happen. You know, our daughters may not have to go through what we went through, you know, the yes. Naivety and the secrecy and the taboo that we've been through. Maybe just maybe what I'm seeing, we can, you know, allow this our daughters and, and our sons, you know, for all humanity. And I, I
Claire Yee (00:15:18) - Mean, how in that realization, sorry to interrupt, but I just have to say that realization that it could end now with us in this generation that is just so powerful, isn't it? Yeah,
Jacqui (00:15:29) - Totally. And, and, um, thankfully gratefully, I, I, I don't know, but, um, my husband is, um, I invited him on this journey with me, you know, this healing journey. And he said yes. And he also said it ends here. Um, yeah. Um,
Jacqui (00:15:47) - So I'm, I I, I'll be forever grateful for that. Um, I I, I had no choice. It was, it was do or die. So I was doing, you know, with or without others. Um, and a lot of others haven't come with me. You know, it's very alienating when you step out of the line. Um, it's very alienating when you start talking about, you know, doing things differently. Yes. Um, so it's, it's, it's not been easy. It has not been easy. Would I do it again? Hell yes. Hell yes. In a heartbeat. Um, but it is not, it is not easy. And it's, it's, but it's, it's great. You know, when you find your circle, when you find your people mm-hmm. It's, it's, it's fun. You know? It's, it's fun. Cause that's the feminine. We are fun. We're Yes. You know, we are flowy. We're, um, we are literally, like, I always think of us like we are flowing water down down a river. And the masculine is the banks holding us in blocks to slow us down a little bit because we can't, you can't.
Jacqui (00:16:59) - And then come in and a tree goes down and that sort of blocks us and makes us stop and think. And, um, or, you know, more water all calm, which we've seen lots of. And, and yes, you know, may innate wisdom, may inner knowing is telling me that the reason we've seen so much water is that there's so many more women stepping up and doing the she for the we. And so it's literally the rising of the lost, lost innate wisdom that's coming up, um, full body tingles when I say that. It's the, I know it's true. .
Claire Yee (00:17:33) - Yes. Okay. So full body tingles as you've been talking the whole way, I'd love to circle back to a few things that you said, because there's just so many nuggets in here, and I'd love to highlight some of them. Firstly, just kind of really, really honoring the journey that you've been on. And, and I think the, this, the highlighting of the lag of support that there is for a woman and for mothers. And I think just highlighting that fact that, you know, nobody was there clapping when you came after you gave birth to your baby, and after you bought New Life into the world, where were all of these people saying, oh my gosh, you are the most incredible thing ever. But we just don't have that. Unfortunately. I would love if we could shift that in our generation for people to understand about matrescence and this whole incredible journey that we've been on and, you know, bringing this new life into the world.
Claire Yee (00:18:32) - Um, and then this, so how did you start to, and I, I've got full body tingles, when you said that your husband was, uh, was like, yes, I'm on this ride with you. Because I think when partners as well can step up and step into the journey and really walk it alongside and, you know, as part of this family unit, there's so much power in that. I just love that, that he's said yes to you and that, that you're doing this journey together. Um, and I think as well, I'd love to just touch on this hamster, hamster wheel of life. And I love the way, you know, and that is very much this masculine experience that we are so often caught in. It's all the doing, doing, doing of motherhood of what it, and then all that judgment around what it means to be a good mother. You've always gotta be doing all the things and, and it's exhausting. Yeah. I, I wonder we are depleted. So I'd love to hear a little bit more about how you kind of got off Yeah. Realized you were on the hamster wheel, got off the hamster wheel, pulled in that, that support Yeah. And what that looks like within your heart place Hos hospital as well. I
Jacqui (00:19:51) - Love that question. I just, um, I just, something just jumped in and I just wanted to add to it. Um, back in those days, that six months that I was pumping and doing all that thing, I actually wrote, I wrote seven letters to the government, the D H B to the Treasure's magazine, da, da, da, all these letters saying, you know, and it was Gotti's solution base. Like I had solutions in place. I, I wrote to them saying, Hey, I've had my first baby. Breast is best and these are my solutions. We need, we need more lactation consultants on our floor and in our community, and it needs to be accessible. And all seven of those people, uh, treasure's magazine are won, uh, won a prize. Um, but all, uh, the, the government DHBs they wrote back eventually, and with gaslighting letters, I've still got them.
Jacqui (00:20:42) - I'm gonna publish them one day. Um, and at that point, I didn't have the energy. I was in my new rider of passage. I didn't have the energy to, to, to pursue it, to go on mm-hmm. . Whereas now, 18 years later, nearly 18 years later, I've got an 18 and almost 16 year old. Um, I do have the energy and there's, and I'm still gaslighted. Um, however, I don't sit back down. I stay standing. I stay standing. And your question was, how did I get off the hamster wheel? Um, I was actually, Mack tracked off the hamster wheel. Like I didn't, like there was no, I mean, even happened to me on the weekend, on the weekend, um, my inner wisdom said to me, you need to rest Jacqui. And I thought, yes, I do. I'm listening. I'm going to do that because you are always right. I'm gonna do that. And then I went, I went to the market and I went to the cafe and, um, and I thought, it's a nice day, my garden today. And I thought, well, hopefully my inner wisdom didn't hear me think that
Claire Yee (00:21:45) - love it rebellious against your inner inner wisdom.
Jacqui (00:21:50) - Yeah, yeah. I'm always, always kind of bargain. Um, but they did. They did. And they absolutely landed me on my ass. Um, so you cannot, you cannot muck around with your inner wisdom. Your inner wisdom will show up in your body and your emotions every time. Yeah. Every time. And I am constantly reminding people that our mental and physical reality is manifested by our, our experiences and, and our environment.
Claire Yee (00:22:22) - Yes.
Jacqui (00:22:24) - So, um, so yeah. So I got off the, I didn't get, I didn't climb off the hemp. I got Mack tracked off the hemp wheel.
Claire Yee (00:22:29) - Ok. And so continue that sort of be is your, like picking the butt from your self too, like Jacqui, and every
Jacqui (00:22:41) - Time I, I lean off my dev my line of devotion, I get kicked in my womb Absolutely. A hundred percent every time. Every time. Yep. Still, even now, still even seven years later. And I absolutely know how to, I know how to listen, I know that I know the message. I know, and I know to take the action every time. If I don't take the action, don't listen. Kicked in the wound.
Claire Yee (00:23:02) - Mm-hmm. . Yeah. So I think for somebody listening, if if they're listening, going, I can hear my intuition, my inner voice, my knowing saying, slow down, set boundaries, I'll start receiving help. But then we've got these other also patterns in, in play that we've been living within for such a long time. We've been, you know, conditioned patterns and beliefs, and we don't yet have that. Cause ideally we wouldn't be smashed over by a train.
Jacqui (00:23:34) - Recommend it
Claire Yee (00:23:36) - . So, uh, um, what would you, would, what would your advice be to, to perhaps these mums that are, I know that would've gotten so much out of the conversation, but what would you tell them about listening to your intuition and
Jacqui (00:23:52) - Take a bread crumb, take a breadcrumb, take a bread crumb, and then the next breadcrumb, that's when I say, and then before too long, crumbs then become gold nuggets. And then those gold nuggets become gold boulders. And now I go for gold mo mountains, like I am moving gold mountains with heart place hospital. And that's, that's all I'm available for. I've got, um, service providers now who do the breadcrumbs, the gold nuggets. The gold boulders. Incredible.
Claire Yee (00:24:22) - Now,
Jacqui (00:24:22) - I'm now here I am, like system disrupted. I am human activating. Um, because we actually, I don't know, fun fact, everyone, if we continue living like we are living now, we actually don't have a planet to live on. So, um, yeah. . So we actually have, we, and now our planet earth has moved dimensions, like it's physically moved. And so we, we've physically moved with it. And so our energy that once was, you know, over in this part of the, in this angle of the universe is now in this end. So we, we see things differently. The light is different for us. And I know that might be a little bit out there for some people, but it's, it's a fact. Um, and our, our planet is literally screaming out for us. Our kids are dying. Our kids are literally dying. Our men are literally dying. If you're watching this in New Zealand, you know, we have the highest youth in male suicide rate in the O C E D. Yeah. I mean, they're for us to do the she for the we, for us to, for us women to evolve so that we can all evolve because we're so messy, full body jungle. We are so
Claire Yee (00:25:41) - , we're
Jacqui (00:25:42) - So missing the feminine. And I don't, I'm not talking man and woman, I'm talking, they, you know, my husband's got his feminine, he's got two daughters. I mean, he's got,
Claire Yee (00:25:53) - You know,
Jacqui (00:25:54) - He has to find his, he's gotta find his flow. He's gotta find, he's gotta not take, take things personally because we are, you know, my daughter's both menstruate. So they have, um, you know, they have their pretty, pretty much forset, um, seasons. I'm transitioning. I'm a big, I'm a big spiral. Like you can, I can be a hot mess with one millisecond and a hot heeled sex. Oh, sex. I can do that too. That's, um,
Claire Yee (00:26:25) - Next millisecond.
Jacqui (00:26:27) - And, um, I've got no, I've got zero control of that. Zero. Um, and when I do, when I do have control of it, I get sore. I get grumpy. I, you know, like when I actually just let it happen, I'm just like, man, I'm hot. I'm hot messing it right now.
Claire Yee (00:26:44) - Yeah. And I can really feel as well that this is you coming into your elder and into your, you know, that well, the elder of the village and, and then, and that doesn't, and, and in that way, that's the sage, you know, not, not the old lady kind of elders that Oh no, I strength. Yeah.
Jacqui (00:27:05) - I, I feel longer. Lena. Sexy as fat. Yes. And I feel,
Claire Yee (00:27:10) - Yes, , I feel
Jacqui (00:27:11) - Most powerful. I feel powerful, feel potent. Um, I feel very knowing. I am, like, I was interviewed, um, by, on a nurse podcast, um, by, uh, a, a male nurse. Um, and he's like, how do you know? And I'm like, I know. I said, I, the knowing that I have right now is the same knowing with everything else that I have created in this life. So I know it's gonna happen. I know it's, it's happened already. Um, that's how, that's how know I am. So absolutely. I definitely, definitely am my power. Um, and I, I literally feel like I'm returning back to nature. Yeah. You know, human beings are the only part of earth that don't follow nature. Yes. And,
Claire Yee (00:27:57) - And it's why we get so much of it wrong, why we're destroying nature because we're not living aligned. Yes.
Jacqui (00:28:04) - And so I'll go onto the forest and the, the ry tree, which they tell me it's nothing to do with the codi infection. It's literally that we haven't been talking to them. That's why they're been dying off. And so I go and talk to them and, um, and then I think, and then I, I feel like I look at them, they, they know they're worth, they know they matter in matrescence and they know they're enough. And so I literally put myself into, I just think I'm a coldly tree. I know that, I know that I'm worthy of being here because I'm shining light and I'm, and I'm, and I'm holding space and supporting others to, to rise up. Yeah. Um, I know that I matter because why else would I be here right now? , like, why didn't you take me out in the Mac truck seven years ago? So I definitely met her. And then I know I'm enough. In fact, I know I'm more, I'm like more than enough. Like, I don't even wanna be enough. I want, you know, I'm gold , like, you know, I'm here, I'm here to really shake up the earth, to really earth shake to change, break chain, break change, make. Um, and luckily, honestly, I put many times I'm like, why me? No, not me. I don't wanna,
Claire Yee (00:29:21) - It's always their voice.
Jacqui (00:29:23) - Yeah. Yeah. Um, but then now I'm like, why not me? Yes. You know, why not me? You know, I had open heart surgery as an eight year old. I was a nurse and saw a, you know, a really fractured healthcare system. I birthed babies in a really fractured system. They, I, they were educated. I was educated in a fractured system. I was, um, I was the nurse at the frontline of the first community case of Covid in New Zealand. Um, why did that happen? You know, like, why did that happen? I was gaslighted outta that role. Um, I was bullied. I I've been alienated. I've, and, and still, I, and still I show up and shine. Um, so I just, and you know, and I see my mum healing and I see my daughters Yeah. Thriving. And it hasn't been easy for them. You know, the daughter that I spoke about who had the failure to progress, who had the failure to thrive, she, she, she was a gun. She was a loaded gun. And, and then Covid was the trigger for her. So, so she has had to have go through a journey of what we didn't get a mare sense. Um, and that, you know,
Jacqui (00:30:35) - It breaks my heart,
Claire Yee (00:30:38) - You
Jacqui (00:30:39) - Know, and I wrote letters and I asked for help and I didn't get it. Um, and so thank you for doing what you do, because, um, you can see 18 years later, it's, it's shit. Um, and we've had to do massive repair to her ruptures, and we've had to do it alone. Well, we've done it with Heart Place Hospital, actually. Um, we haven't done it through the conventional medical sentence system because it is cruel and it is, um, nasty. And I couldn't put her through that again. So we have used healed healers from Heart Place Hospital to support her and us through that. And I can, I'm happy to say that compared to someone else who's gone through what she's gone through, she's has been a short journey and she is thriving.
Claire Yee (00:31:41) - Oh my gosh, Jacqui. Yeah.
Jacqui (00:31:44) - And she's gonna be a powerhouse. She's gonna be doing something in that area because she, she now, she's like not even 18 and saying to me, mum, we can't keep doing this to people.
Claire Yee (00:31:58) - I just get this really, sorry. Yeah,
Jacqui (00:32:02) - No, that's me. .
Claire Yee (00:32:03) - Yeah. I just, uh, just wanna honor and, and, and see that bring light to this. I've just got this beautiful vision of all that you've shared, that you've been through and with your daughter, that you were just speaking about how it's almost you birthing her into the world has birthed, although it's been a journey, you've, it's birthed you into your power. Yeah. Into your strength. Into your wisdom. And also then this, it's birthed Heart place hospital. Yes. And just, you know, she's almost feels like the poster child
Jacqui (00:32:43) - No way.
Claire Yee (00:32:44) - I don't mean that in like sexual face of it necessarily, but, but what a powerful, incredible story and how, just how she's just been center of, of the whole journey of even just, you know, the, her, her birth was almost that highlighting of the broken system and the need for such an incredible offering and this disruption of, and I love the way you say that. The, the she for the we. Yeah. And I think, you know, and another part of what I love about matrescence is that, uh, when we become mothers, our brains actually transform, just like they do in adolescence, transform from me thinking to we thinking, and all of us mothers have the power to be in our power. In the way that you've spoken about that, that you have now found for yourself, Jacqui, when I was listening to you sharing your, your knowing and your wisdom be before about I am enough, I am more than enough, I matter. And that energy reflecting with the curry tree, I just feel like those were just such healing words to, for you to voice, to share. And I think also as affirmations for everybody to be saying to ourselves every single day. Yeah.
Claire Yee (00:34:15) - I mean, what's that?
Jacqui (00:34:17) - I'm long, lean, sexiest, fuck. I say that to myself every day, . I love
Claire Yee (00:34:22) - It. I love it. . I mean, imagine, you know, if we, all of us women, mothers could be in our power in matrescence and not have to go through, you know, and the, and generations come, our daughters not have to go through the same, um, invisibility. Yeah. Empowerment being completely ignored, completely unsupported, and then come into their power much younger than we are doing , you know? But you know, as soon as their babies are born or even before that, you know, just n never disconnecting from their power. There's so much potentiality there.
Jacqui (00:35:01) - Oh, honestly, like the language that my daughters say to me, they say things like, ah, I'm not doing that for you, mom. I'm doing it for me, and I'm . I'm just like,
Claire Yee (00:35:13) - Love it. Yes. And,
Jacqui (00:35:16) - Um, do
Claire Yee (00:35:16) - It for yourself.
Jacqui (00:35:17) - Yeah. Honestly, they, they, they blow my mind. And you know, they've got, they've got Instagram pages. They, they, they share the journey, you know? So, um, yeah. I just, I I'm gonna call myself a hope merchant and a love rockstar. And I, and I just, I just literally think, you know what? We are gonna make it. We're actually gonna it. Um, and, and this is, it's them, you know, us doing the she of the, we, we are the li we are the light at the top of the lighthouses for these future generation who in their minds, you know, like one of my daughters said to me the other day, why we keep fixing our roads, mum, why don't we have hydrogen flow cars? And I'm like, why don't we , you know, like, why are we keep patching these hot roads in the, um, holes in the road?
Jacqui (00:36:11) - Which, you know, we pretty diabolical. Um, so we need, we need to be nurturing and nourishing these young future thinkers. Mm-hmm. Um, and, and that is Heart Place Hospital. So Heart Place Hospital is, um, service providers all around the world, healed healers. So they've, like me, had their defining moments, had them met, not all of them. Metrics. Um, definitely four by fours. Um, and, and they're committed to their healing. So I, I love it. I adore it because they all contra one another. They've all had healing from one another, which is amazing to witness watch. And so it's this growing, growing community, global community, and it is focusing on those in the frontline. So those in the frontline to health, education, and parenting. Incredible. Um, and use me as a case in point with my daughter, you know, I, through her recent, um, exploration, I went really deep into my exploration and so did a lot of cord cutting and wound healing.
Jacqui (00:37:19) - And, and I would do that, and the next day I would see her thrive. So, you know, she's loved, she lived in my womb, you know, like she lived in Yeah, yeah. And, um, when she was in my womb, you know, I was a nurse, so I was a busy, busy nurse doing, you know, emergencies. So she, she got all that code, so, um, I need to support her to, to decondition that. And then of course, the breastfeeding, you know, the, the stress of pumping and spill milk, and she got all those stress hormones too. So, um, so I, yeah. So, um, so that in in Heart Place Hospital, um, so we, there's in person, there's online and there's also, there's also group work, but there's, there's actually something for everybody because some people don't wanna get on Zoom. Some people don't wanna come to an in-person.
Jacqui (00:38:08) - And so, so we do do messaging back and forth, messaging support for those who are kind of more people, um, who don't wanna be so visible. Um, um, I've written, I've co-authored a book, uh, called Futures to the, um, letters to a Future Nurse with 22 nurses around, um, the world. Um, these are all really, it's really interesting because it's very difficult for me to get these stories out because, um, the news and media don't, I don't know, they don't share solution based stories, or something. I'm not quite sure. And, and that's not from Lake Try. And I've done lots of media releases and I've sent my book around, around the world, um, or our book. Um, so it's really interesting that, how, how tricky it is. There is an international study to show called the Wood Hall study, to show that we are relevant. Only 2% of nurses' stories are shared in news and media.
Claire Yee (00:39:06) - Wow. That's saying a lot.
Jacqui (00:39:10) - That's saying a lot. So to me, that's saying, Hey, here, here we are, you know, our most trusted profession. Yes. And, um, and you know, they're in the front line. They, they know, they know what's working, what's not working, and we are not sharing those stories.
Claire Yee (00:39:26) - Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah.
Jacqui (00:39:28) - So, um, that is a really big mission of mine. I'm off to Fiji next week to speak in Amazing. Yeah. In front of 70 international women. So, um, I really feel like that's a real portal for, um, for my next step. So, so my big gold are speaking on stage and speaking to these stories. Yeah. Um, and then I have service providers all around the world that can actually create, create the change. Um, heart Place Hospital is a charity. Um, so currently it is an open collective charity, but I'm minutes away from being a New Zealand registered charity, and I've got the kickass board, um, which is really exciting. So I really feel like, um, you know, our needs, we all have unmet needs. We don't necessarily have big capital T traumas. Um, but my, the, this is the Heart Place hospital is filling in all my unmet needs.
Jacqui (00:40:20) - Absolutely. A hundred percent filling in all my unmet nett needs. Mm-hmm. And, um, and the service providers on there, and I'm, I'm always open to talking to people about being print service providers. Um, and you are, you are very valued, very respected, and very cared for. Um, and we have, we have, um, lighting and sound alchemists, we have Safe Haven Alchemists, we have, um, um, birthing guide doulas. We have, um, we have medical doctors who now are kini teachers and, um, quantum healers. We have, um, we have all, all multi-dimensional support, and so mind, body, soul, all interconnect. So interconnected, so inter interconnected. Yeah. And, um, we just have, have to normalize that message. Absolutely. Have to normalize it and be the example. And I show up every day, um, on my platforms so that I can be an example of normalizing, you know, and I, I go to a static dance and I go to, you know, cacao sound healing, and I, and they're now my equivalent of going to, you know, a cocktail party .
Claire Yee (00:41:37) - So, yes. Um,
Jacqui (00:41:40) - And,
Claire Yee (00:41:41) - And the doctor at the same time, . Exactly.
Jacqui (00:41:43) - Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And this is the thing, this is with Heart Place Hospital. It's, it's the first I've heard of anyway, that's around prevention. Yes. Rather than cure. So, you know, you think about, um,
Claire Yee (00:41:55) - So important
Jacqui (00:41:56) - Raises where you, where you drink pink champagne and eat pink cakes and you think, I'm sorry , have I just given you my money and you've just given me what I'm helping you cure. Um, so yeah, heart Place Hos Hospital is that, um, so if you're in New Zealand, we've got kids can who are feeding and, and dressing our kids. We've got, um, gumbo Friday who are supporting their, their mental health. And then Heart Pace Hospital actually is that whole health, whole person, whole holding the whole, um, you know, every barometer of where that young person hits their, their schooling, their home, their health support. Um Mm. And we just,
Claire Yee (00:42:39) - I love how multi-dimensional and how healing it is on so many layers. Like there's just this ripple effect of your vision flowing out into the world, but it's actually, you know, it's that real on the ground support and integrated in the ways that we are so in need of Yeah,
Jacqui (00:43:00) - Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I'm, it's, it's really important that it's, it's accessible. So Yes. Um, you know, so that's why it's a charity and that's why these multifaceted ways of accessing the support, there's multi, um, service providers because one mights not suit. And Yeah. And, um, and yeah, I, I, I, I love it. I'm, I, I love her.
Claire Yee (00:43:28) - I love,
Jacqui (00:43:31) - She, she is my, um, my reason for still being on this planet because seven years ago, I, I I, that it was moving far too fast for me and I didn't know, I didn't know if I could hold on. Mm-hmm. Um, and um, and I know a lot of people can relate to that right now. Cause I'm talking to a lot of people around, you know, literally holding onto furniture as you walk around the house.
Claire Yee (00:43:54) - . Yeah.
Jacqui (00:43:55) - And
Claire Yee (00:43:56) - It's a beautiful expression of how slowing down and getting into your feminine in matrescence, actually the ripple effect of the power of that is incredible. And, and, and the changes that can be made because of that into the world Yeah. Are just so far reaching beyond what we could have done if we stayed just in the masculine push, push, push, do, do, do exhausting ourselves every single day. Yeah. Jacqui, where can people find out about Heart Place Hospital, find you online, become part of your world and, and yeah. Be of this vision and journey?
Jacqui (00:44:33) - Yes, so I'm, I'm on Instagram and Facebook as Heart Place Hospital as in heart. Um, and I am heart place.org.nz. I'm also on LinkedIn and, and just Facebook as Jacqui O'Connor. I'm, my hearts are my slave. I don't hide anything. So you can, I'm pretty easily fine. You can find me pretty easy. Fabulous.
Claire Yee (00:44:54) - , as it should be with you. Thank you so much for this incredible work that you are doing in the world for sharing your journey of matrescence. Um, it's just been absolutely extraordinary to, to have shared that with you today in our time together. And, um, I'm so excited for all that you are birthing into the world and continue to, to share for us. It's so needed and so incredible. Thank you Jacqui. And
Jacqui (00:45:20) - Thank you. Back at you. Thank you for creating the space to share the matrescence stories because, um, they're very tricky to find. So thank you for taking the, you know, the to make the spaces. It's really important.
Claire Yee (00:45:32) - It's a pleasure.
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